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		<title>2010 Music Website Heat Map</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Van Etten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you’re color blind then this is going to hurt. Based on estimated traffic data from Compete, this visualization depicts web-based music consumption in the U.S. in 2010. Included are sites where music is streamed or downloaded. YouTube, SoundCloud, OurStage, Bandcamp, Grooveshark, ReverbNation, and Vevo all saw notable change in 2010.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="intro super legend visualization-description">If you&#8217;re red-green color blind then this is going to hurt. Based on estimated traffic data from <a href="http://compete.com" title="compete.com" rel="external">Compete</a>, this visualization depicts web-based music consumption in the U.S. in 2010. Included are websites where music is streamed and/or downloaded. Due to accurate sample rate availability (and in the interest of sanity) websites with less than 100,000 monthly visits are omitted. The map is to scale. Larger map areas represent higher website traffic. <span style="color:#009900">Green</span> indicates positive growth in 2010. <span style="color:#cc3333">Red</span> indicates negative growth in 2010. Hold your mouse over each area for stats—the visits/month stats are for December 2010. For those that don&#8217;t speak metric: 1k = 1,000. 1M = 1,000,000.</p>
<div id="heat-map" class="bigmedia infographic"><img id="musicheatmap" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/maps/2010/png8/2010musicheatmap_960x1614.png" usemap="#heatmap1" border="0" width="960" height="1614" alt="Music Website Heat Map" /><br />
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<area shape="rect" coords="0,0,55,31" href="http://www.we7.com" alt="we7" title="we7: 101k visits/month (+63% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,31,55,99" href="http://www.rdio.com" alt="rdio" title="rdio: 255k visits/month (+3,680% growth in 2010 / extreme number is due to public launch being in summer 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="54,0,127,26" href="http://www.spotify.com" alt="Spotify" title="Spotify: 105k visits/month (-6% growth in 2010 / see remarks on Spotify towards the bottom of the article)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="55,25,127,57" href="http://www.indabamusic.com" alt="Indaba Music" title="Indaba Music: 112k visits/month (-52% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="54,55,127,100" href="http://www.deezer.com" alt="Deezer" title="Deezer: 164k visits/month (-48% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,100,63,153" href="http://www.jamendo.com" alt="Jamendo" title="Jamendo: 171k visits/month (+195% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,151,60,213" href="http://www.beatport.com" alt="Beatport" title="Beatport: 204k visits/month (+108% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="61,100,127,212" href="http://songza.com" alt="Songza" title="Songza: 370k visits/month (+55% growth in 2010 / songza.com was previously songza.fm and this percentage combines data from both)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="125,0,229,69" href="http://www.purevolume.com" alt="Pure Volume" title="Pure Volume: 379k visits/month (-3% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="128,69,230,213" href="http://www.thumbplay.com" alt="Thumbplay Music" title="Thumbplay Music: 765k visits/month (-22% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="228,0,328,162" href="http://mog.com" alt="MOG" title="MOG: 832k visits/month (-3% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="327,0,441,161" href="http://www.cdbaby.com" alt="CD Baby" title="CD Baby: 960k visits/month (-4% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="227,159,442,278" href="http://bandcamp.com" alt="Bandcamp" title="Bandcamp: 1.3M visits/month (+378% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,213,151,314" href="http://hypem.com" alt="The Hype Machine" title="The Hype Machine: 800k visits/month (+23% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,312,151,413" href="http://www.shoutcast.com" alt="SHOUTcast" title="SHOUTcast: 808k visits/month (+180% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="150,213,229,414" href="http://blip.fm" alt="Blip.fm" title="Blip.fm: 822k visits/month (-11% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="229,275,442,415" href="http://www.slacker.com" alt="Slacker Radio" title="Slacker Radio: 1.5M visits/month (+80% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="440,0,780,210" href="http://www.reverbnation.com" alt="ReverbNation" title="ReverbNation: 3.7M visits/month (+216% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="441,209,779,421" href="http://vevo.com" alt="Vevo" title="Vevo: 3.8M visits/month (+211% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="779,0,960,420" href="http://www.emusic.com" alt="eMusic" title="eMusic: 4.0M visits/month (+16% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,413,184,600" href="http://www.napster.com" alt="Napster" title="Napster: 1.8M visits/month (-22% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,599,184,857" href="http://ilike.com" alt="iLike" title="iLike: 2.5M visits/month (+8% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="0,857,448,1609" href="http://www.playlist.com" alt="playlist.com" title="playlist.com: 17.8M visits/month (+27% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="183,414,441,605" href="http://www.ourstage.com" alt="OurStage" title="OurStage: 2.5M visits/month (+579% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="183,602,439,856" href="http://soundcloud.com" alt="SoundCloud" title="SoundCloud: 3.4M visits/month (+851% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="440,420,644,856" href="http://www.rhapsody.com" alt="Rhapsody" title="Rhapsody: 4.6M visits/month (+16% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="644,419,960,855" href="http://music.aol.com" alt="AOL Music" title="AOL Music: 7.3M visits/month (+27.2% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="448,856,960,1221" href="http://last.fm" alt="Last.fm" title="Last.fm: 9.8M visits/month (+26% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="448,1219,960,1609" href="http://grooveshark.com" alt="Grooveshark" title="Grooveshark: 10.6M visits/month (+236% growth in 2010)" />
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<p id="music-consumption" class="super">There&#8217;s a lot of <span style="color:#009900">green</span>—as a whole music consumption on the web is clearly increasing. One contributing factor to that is that the percentage of people that have internet access is growing. Notably extreme growth occurred for <a href="http://soundcloud.com" title="+851% change in 2010" rel="external">SoundCloud</a>, <a href="http://www.ourstage.com" title="+597% change in 2010" rel="external">OurStage</a>, <a href="http://bandcamp.com" title="+378% change in 2010" rel="external">Bandcamp</a>, <a href="http://grooveshark.com" title="+236% change in 2010" rel="external">Grooveshark</a>, and <a href="http://www.reverbnation.com" title="+216% change in 2010" rel="external">ReverbNation</a>. It&#8217;s understandable why SoundCloud is rocketing—it offers rock-solid tools, widgets, community, and an <a href="http://soundcloud.com/developers" title="developer link" rel="external">API</a>. In summer 2010, SoundCloud launched a Creative Commons <a href="http://soundcloud.com/creativecommons" title="soundcloud.com/creativecommons" rel="external">search page</a>. Like <a href="http://www.indabamusic.com" title="indabamusic.com" rel="external">Indaba Music</a>, SoundCloud is heavily geared towards electronic music and producers. IMO electronic music is growing faster than rock and has more room to evolve. In my analysis of the <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2009/12/music-website-heat-map/" title="2009 Music Website Heat Map">2009 heat map</a>, I referred to Grooveshark as Jaws-like and this year was another feeding frenzy. Grooveshark now gets more visits than Last.fm. But let&#8217;s zoom out and view the bigger picture:</p>
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<img id="musicmapwide" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/maps/2010/png8/2010musicmapwide_960x255.png" usemap="#heatmap2" border="0" width="960" height="255" alt="Music Heat Map Full Zoom" /></p>
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<area shape="rect" coords="0,0,151,255" href="#heat-map" alt="inset above" title="main map: see inset above" />
<area shape="rect" coords="152,0,262,255" href="http://pandora.com" alt="Pandora" title="Pandora: 60M visits/month (+116% growth in 2010)" />
<area shape="rect" coords="263,0,960,255" href="http://www.youtube.com/music" alt="YouTube » Music" title="YouTube TOTAL: 1,222M visits/month. YouTube MUSIC only is approx. 31% of that total and is what is represented here: 380M visits/month (94% growth in 2010 assuming it's same for both)" />
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<p id="youtube-pop-stats" class="super" style="padding-right:20px">In February 2010, <a href="http://www.sysomos.com" title="sysomos.com" rel="external">Sysomos</a> <a href="http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?sectioncode=1&#038;storycode=1040202&#038;c=1" title="Music dominates on YouTube | MusicWeek | 2010-02-26" rel="external">reported</a> that approximately 31% of YouTube videos are music—roughly one out of every three. The YouTube Music area on the map below represents this 31%. Its size is roughly equivalent to 3x everything else <i>combined</i>. Compared to YouTube, Grooveshark is a minnow. You want pop perspective? According to the Compete data, <a href="http://www.ladygaga.com" title="Take a look if you're not one of the 5.2 million little monsters that did in 2010. Total 2010 visits = 7.6 million = more than any other musician website and still nothing compared to her video views, her 27.5 million Facebook fans, or her 7.9 million Twitter followers. She doesn't need a website—she needs a planet!">ladygaga.com</a> had more visits in 2010 than any other artist, and although her traffic decreased 55% over the year, she still gets <abbr title="Ladygaga.com: 310,000 visits/month vs. NIN.com: 62,000 visits/month - (December 2010/Compete)">5x</abbr> as much traffic as <a href="http://www.nin.com" title="Nine Inch Nails: 62,000 visits in Dec. 2010 (Compete)" rel="external">nin.com</a>. According to data from <a href="http://nextbigsound.com" title="nextbigsound.com" rel="external">Next Big Sound</a>, Lady Gaga videos got played 45 million times on Vevo<a href="#update" title="see update">*</a> in December 2010. Dividing that number by the 2 million unique visitors that Compete estimated for Vevo that month tells us that the average Vevo user watches 23 Lady Gaga videos per month. Scream now if you have to. Who had the most visited website at the <i>end</i> of the year? I thought is was going to be <a href="http://paramore.net" title="I told you in 2009 that their site was killer! Type Paramore into the search bar up top to read what I wrote in 2009." rel="external">paramore.net</a>, who with over 400,000 website visits in December 2010 had Eminem, Bieber, and Gaga all beat. But it was <a href="http://taylorswift.com" title="C'mon don't leave me for Taylor!" rel="external">taylorswift.com</a> who had the most, with close to 600,000—that&#8217;s like half of Bandcamp right there.</p>
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<p class="super" style="padding-right:20px;margin-top:0">It was unrealistic to accurately quantify <a href="http://www.myspace.com/music" titile="myspace.com/music" rel="external">MySpace Music</a> this year<abbr title="mainly because at some point in 2010 MySpace redirected its music subdomain music.myspace.com to myspace.com/music">*</abbr> but if you remember from <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2009/12/music-website-heat-map/" title="2009 Music Website Heat Map">last year</a> MySpace Music was in the same ballpark as Pandora. MySpace&#8217;s Imeem acquisition came to life, but, still, I can&#8217;t imagine they saw positive growth in 2010 since visits to MySpace proper declined 77% in 2010 according to Compete. Then there&#8217;s <strong>iTunes</strong> which is essentially not web-based and therefore unquantifiable on Compete. The itunes.apple.com subdomain used mainly for iTunes links including everything on iTunes—not just music—saw 60% growth in 2010. If it were on the map it would be 40% as big as Pandora.</p>
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<p class="super" style="padding-right:20px;margin-top:0">Comparing <i>relative</i> differences as a whole paints a pretty solid picture of music consumption on the web—but it&#8217;s not a total reflection. Compete tracks web traffic from <a href="http://www.compete.com/resources/methodology/" title="Compete » Methodology">sources</a> in the U.S. and therefore European-based services are not as accurately estimated. The same goes for certain mobile or non-web usage. Case in point: <a href="http://www.spotify.com" title="spotify.com" rel="external">Spotify</a> is included on the map but maybe it shouldn&#8217;t be—it&#8217;s a downloadable app like iTunes <i>and</i> Americans can&#8217;t use it. Google currently assigns Spotify a PageRank of 7. It assigns SoundCloud a PageRank of 6. Is Spotify that widely used or does it just get tons of press? Is <a href="http://www.playlist.com" title="playlist.com" rel="external">Playlist</a> so huge because it offers ringtones—anyone using it? <a href="http://www.rdio.com" title="rdio.com" rel="external">Rdio</a>? What will the map look like next year?</p>
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<p id="bonus-tracks" class="super clear">Bonus tracks: Right now The Pirate Bay gets as much <a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/thepiratebay.org+mtv.com/?metric=sess&#038;months=12" title="thepiratebay.org: 15.4M visits/month vs. MTV.com: 17.3M visits/month in Dec. 2010. Click to view on Compete.">traffic</a> as MTV.com. Based on its current trajectory Pandora will soon <a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/pandora.com+nytimes.com+mtv.com/?metric=sess&#038;months=12" title="view current chart on Compete">surpass</a> The New York Times. The most popular music <a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/rollingstone.com+nme.com+spin.com+pastemagazine.com/?metric=sess&#038;months=12" title="view current chart on Compete">magazine</a> online is <i>Rolling Stone</i>—2.2M visits in December 2010. The most popular music <a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/pitchfork.com+hypem.com+stereogum.com/?metric=sess&#038;months=12" title="view current chart on Compete">blog</a> is Pitchfork—1.4M visits in December 2010—like two Hype Machines. <a href="http://www.npr.org" title="npr.org" rel="external">NPR</a> is in the same <a href="http://siteanalytics.compete.com/npr.org+last.fm/?metric=sess&#038;months=12" title="NPR: 9.3M visits in Dec. 2010 vs. Last.fm: 9.8M visits/month in Dec. 2010. Click to view on Compete.">ballpark</a> as Last.fm.</p>
<p id="update" class="super clear update-2011-03-20">Update 3/20: Based on requests to add additional sites to the heat map, there is now an alternate edition on <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2011/02/2010-music-website-heat-map/2/" title="view alternate edition" rel="alternate">page two</a> that includes <a href="http://8tracks.com" title="8tracks.com" rel="external">8tracks</a> and <a href="http://wearehunted.com" title="We Are Hunted" rel="external">We Are Hunted</a> rather than <a href="http://www.thumbplay.com" title="thumbplay.com" rel="external">Thumbplay</a> and <a href="http://www.deezer.com" title="deezer.com" rel="external">Deezer</a>. All are now on the <a href="#data-table" title="#data-table">data table</a>. <span id="gaga-correction">Regarding Lady Gaga&#8217;s 45 million plays, Colin—presumably Colin Willis from <a href="http://www.nextbigsound.com" title="nextbigsound.com" rel="external">Next Big Sound</a>—<a href="#comment-147896763" title="#comment-147896763">commented</a> that Next Big Sound&#8217;s Vevo play count included Vevo plays from YouTube and therefore the 23 Lady Gaga videos per month calculation is inaccurate.</span></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Van Etten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mashup City: 10 miles. Modern music infrastructure is built on APIs. Developers are programming the future as we speak. We can bet they're using some of these 30 music APIs to do it. <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2011/01/30-music-apis/" title="view list" rel="bookmark">view list &#187;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p id="music_api_info" class="intro super">Mashup City: 10 miles. Modern music infrastructure is built on APIs. Developers are programming the future as we speak. We can bet they&#8217;re using some of these 30 music APIs to do it.</p>
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<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:300%"><a href="http://www.last.fm/api" title="developer link: Last.fm" rel="external">Last.fm</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:300%"><a href="http://developer.echonest.com" title="developer link: The Echo Nest" rel="external">Echo Nest</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:300%"><a href="http://soundcloud.com/developers" title="developer link: SoundCloud" rel="external">SoundCloud</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:300%"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/dev" title="developer link: YouTube" rel="external">YouTube</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://apishark.com" title="developer link: Grooveshark – note: unofficial – see both apishark.com and developers.grooveshark.com" rel="external">Grooveshark</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://tinysong.com/api" title="developer link: Tinysong - note: accesses the Grooveshark library" rel="external">Tinysong</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://developer.jamendo.com" title="developer link: Jamendo" rel="external">Jamendo</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://developer.billboard.com/" title="developer link: Billboard" rel="external">Billboard</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://api.eventful.com" title="developer link: Eventful" rel="external">Eventful</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://developer.emusic.com" title="developer link:  eMusic" rel="external">eMusic</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://webservices.rhapsody.com" title="developer link: Rhapsody" rel="external">Rhapsody</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.streamnetworks.no/en/realradios/api" title="developer link: RealRadios" rel="external">RealRadios</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://developer.spotify.com" title="developer link: Spotify" rel="external">Spotify</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.songkick.com/developer/" title="developer link: Songkick" rel="external">Songkick</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.mp3tunes.com/api/" title="developer link: MP3tunes" rel="external">MP3tunes</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://dev.aol.com/SHOUTcast/" title="developer link: SHOUTcast" rel="external">SHOUTcast</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.streampad.com/embed-api" title="developer link: Streampad" rel="external">Streampad</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://bandcamptech.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/bandcamp-api/" title="developer link: Bandcamp – note: preliminary version" rel="external">Bandcamp</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://api.beatport.com/" title="developer link: Beatport" rel="external">Beatport</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.deezer.com/en/api" title="developer link: Deezer" rel="external">Deezer</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.ilike.com/developer" title="developer link: iLike" rel="external">iLike</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://wearehunted.com/api/" title="developer link: We Are Hunted" rel="external">Hunted</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.ticketfly.com/about/api/" title="developer link: TicketFly" rel="external">TicketFly</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://docs.topspin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Topspin+APIs&#038;structure=Dev+Center" title="developer link: Topspin Media - note: multiple APIs" rel="external">Topspin</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.discogs.com/help/api" title="developer link: Discogs" rel="external">Discogs</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://api.blip.fm" title="developer link: Blip.fm" rel="external">Blip.fm</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://access.napster.com" title="developer link: Napster" rel="external">Napster</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://developer.7digital.net/" title="developer link: 7digital" rel="external">7digital</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://developer.yahoo.com/music/" title="developer link: Yahoo Music" rel="external">Yahoo</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;font-size:200%"><a href="http://www.bandsintown.com/api/overview" title="developer link: Bandsintown" rel="external">Bandsintown</a></li>
<li class="api" style="margin:0;padding:0;font-size:100%;text-align:right"><a class="bookmark citation cc:attributionURL" href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2011/01/30-music-apis/" title="virtualmusic.tv/2011/01/30-music-apis/">VM</a></li>
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<div id="embed_code" class="embed-code"><textarea rows="4" cols="64">&lt;div id=&quot;music_api_list&quot; style=&quot;width:100%&quot;&gt;&lt;style&gt;li.api{margin:0;padding:0 5px;text-align:left}li.api a{color:#fff;text-decoration:none}li.api a:hover{color:#3399cc;text-decoration:none}&lt;/style&gt;&lt;ul id=&quot;apis&quot; style=&quot;list-style-type:none;font:bold 10pt Arial,sans-serif;line-height:145%;background:#000;color:#fff;padding:30px 15px 15px;text-transform:lowercase&quot;&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:300%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.last.fm/api&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Last.fm&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Last.fm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:300%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.echonest.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: The Echo Nest&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Echo Nest&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:300%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://soundcloud.com/developers&quot; title=&quot;developer link: SoundCloud&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;SoundCloud&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:300%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/dev&quot; title=&quot;developer link: YouTube&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;YouTube&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://apishark.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Grooveshark &#45; note: unofficial &#45; see both apishark.com and developers.grooveshark.com&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Grooveshark&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinysong.com/api&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Tinysong &#45; note: accesses the Grooveshark library&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Tinysong&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.jamendo.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Jamendo&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Jamendo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.billboard.com/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Billboard&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Billboard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://api.eventful.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Eventful&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Eventful&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.emusic.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link:  eMusic&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;eMusic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://webservices.rhapsody.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Rhapsody&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Rhapsody&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streamnetworks.no/en/realradios/api&quot; title=&quot;developer link: RealRadios&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;RealRadios&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.spotify.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Spotify&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Spotify&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.songkick.com/developer/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Songkick&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Songkick&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mp3tunes.com/api/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: MP3tunes&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;MP3tunes&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dev.aol.com/SHOUTcast/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: SHOUTcast&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;SHOUTcast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streampad.com/embed-api&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Streampad&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Streampad&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bandcamptech.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/bandcamp-api/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Bandcamp &#45; note: preliminary version&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Bandcamp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://api.beatport.com/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Beatport&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Beatport&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deezer.com/en/api&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Deezer&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Deezer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ilike.com/developer&quot; title=&quot;developer link: iLike&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;iLike&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wearehunted.com/api/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: We Are Hunted&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Hunted&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ticketfly.com/about/api/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: TicketFly&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;TicketFly&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.topspin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Topspin+APIs&#038;structure=Dev+Center&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Topspin Media &#45; note: multiple APIs&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Topspin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discogs.com/help/api&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Discogs&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Discogs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://api.blip.fm&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Blip.fm&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Blip.fm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://access.napster.com&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Napster&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Napster&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.7digital.net/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: 7digital&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;7digital&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.yahoo.com/music/&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Yahoo Music&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Yahoo&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;font-size:200%&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bandsintown.com/api/overview&quot; title=&quot;developer link: Bandsintown&quot; rel=&quot;external&quot;&gt;Bandsintown&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li class=&quot;api&quot; style=&quot;margin:0;padding:0;font-size:100%;text-align:right&quot;&gt;&lt;a class=&quot;citation cc:attributionURL&quot; href=&quot;http://virtualmusic.tv/2011/01/30-music-apis/&quot; title=&quot;view source on virtualmusic.TV&quot;&gt;VM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</textarea>
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		<title>Hip Hop Bloggers &#8220;If I Ruled the Blogosphere&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Van Etten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA["You've just got to be open and free, because that's the way people want to get content on the web", says Dallas Penn. "Don't be afraid of someone stealing your work so much, just have more work to give, and, if people are stealing it, you know what you're onto something. You're moving in the right direction."</span> continued Penn. Frank Talk summarized it in poetic terms, "If they're stealing from you, [then] you're on the right track." ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class="long"><p><i>If they&#8217;re stealing from you, then you&#8217;re on the right track.</i></p></blockquote>
<p id="dallas-penn" class="intro"><span id="part1-62min20sec" class="video-quote">&#8220;You&#8217;ve just got to be open and free, because that&#8217;s the way people want to get content on the web&#8221;</span>, says Dallas Penn. <span id="part1-62min40sec" class="video-quote">&#8220;Don&#8217;t be afraid of someone stealing your work so much, just have more work to give, and, if people are stealing it, you know what you&#8217;re onto something. You&#8217;re moving in the right direction.&#8221;</span> continued Penn, who runs the vlog <a href="http://internetscelebrities.com" title="internetscelebrities.com" rel="external">internetscelebrities.com</a>. Frank Talk summarized it in poetic terms, &#8220;If they&#8217;re stealing from you, [then] you&#8217;re on the right track.&#8221;</p>
<p id="oddisee">Everything can be adapted into digital content—think YouTube or think Flickr. Take hip hop producer <a href="http://oddiseemusic.blogspot.com/" title="oddiseemusic.blogspot.com" rel="external">Oddisee</a>, who describes his internet-centralized strategy as being circular, wearing many hats, and promoting himself with content: <span id="part1-54min" class="video-quote">&#8220;Everything I do is circulatory&#8230;You can&#8217;t just rap, you can&#8217;t just make beats, you can&#8217;t just do one thing anymore. It&#8217;s just impossible.&#8221;</span> Oddisee uses free content as a means of promoting paid content. He distributes his music via <a href="http://oddisee.bandcamp.com" title="oddisee.bandcamp.com" rel="external">oddisee.bandcamp.com</a>.</p>
<p id="panel-info"><i>If I Ruled the Blogosphere</i> was a panel discussion hosted last month by the <a href="http://www.futureofmusic.org" title="futureofmusic.org" rel="external">Future of Music Coalition</a> and <a href="http://vimeo.com/wordsbeatslife" title="vimeo.com/wordsbeatslife" rel="external">Words Beats &amp; Life</a>. The talk covers many sides of producing/curating music-related content on the web. It&#8217;s a bit long—in two parts below—and includes Q&amp;A in Part 2. But when it came up in my Reader feed (via <a href="http://www.digipendent.com/food-for-thought/hip-hop-bloggers-%E2%80%9Cif-i-ruled-the-blogosphere%E2%80%9D" title="Hip Hop Bloggers &quot;If I Ruled the Blogosphere&quot;" rel="external"> Digipendent</a>) I put it on play while I was working and listened to it all. Anyone involved in blogging, music, or using the internet—pretty much everyone—should find insight from it.</p>
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<p id="fwmj">The price of music on the web is <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2010/04/an-infinite-freeway-for-music-business/" title="An Infinite Freeway For Music Business?">heading towards zero</a>. Artists need to use the web to centralize their fan base and reach out to them. But for that to work, fans need to connect with the individual as much—or more than—the music itself. <span id="part1-70min" class="video-quote">&#8220;If people invest in you as an individual before they invest in you as an artist&#8230;you know&#8230;I mean&#8217;s there&#8217;s a lot of talented rappers out there&#8230;there&#8217;s a lot of talented poets&#8230;you know&#8230;painters&#8230;illustrators, but if nobody can connect with that person&#8217;s individual story, then they&#8217;re just another person doing it.&#8221; says blogger FWMJ of <a href="http://www.rappersiknow.com" title="rappersiknow.com" rel="external">Rappers I Know</a></span>.</p>
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<p id="meka-udoh">As far as avoiding blog shutdowns, Meka Udoh from <a href="http://www.2dopeboyz.com" title="2dopeboyz.com" rel="external">2dopeboyz.com</a> <span id="p1-60min30sec">encouraged embedding players</span> from other sites rather than posting mp3&#8242;s on your own server. I gave similar advice <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2010/02/music-blogging-dmca-takedowns/" title="Music Blogging Throwdown—Evading DMCA Takedowns">in February</a> when several blogs were shutdown because of the DMCA. Especially in the case of Bandcamp embeds, the data goes back to the artist. It&#8217;s a win-win-win—it helps the blogger, the readers, and the artist.</p>
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		<title>Music Data Confessions of a Tagaholic</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Van Etten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bandcamp added artist/song tagging to its slew of features yesterday, and hopes are high that more social music features are in store. As a self-professed tag-a-holic I’m pretty stoked about the news, and especially so because I had emailed them suggesting a tagging feature. Bandcamp artists can now list themselves in up to five genres, they can add their location, and they can add specific traits to individual tracks in the form of tags. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p id="bandcamp-adds-tags" class="s150 intro"><a href="http://bandcamp.com" rel="external">Bandcamp</a> added artist/song tagging to its slew of features yesterday, and hopes are high that more social music features are in store.</p>
<h4 class="clear reverse border" style="background:#111;color:#3399cc;padding:5px"><span class="definition tagging-definition">Tagging (<i>-verb</i>): Applying a word or phrase as a label or means of description.</span><br /><span class="definition tagaholic-definition">Tagaholic (<i>-noun</i>): A person who gets more than cheap thrills from tagging.</span></h4>
<p id="tagging-in-bandcamp">As a self-professed tag-a-holic I&#8217;m pretty stoked about the news, and especially so because I had emailed them suggesting a tagging feature. Bandcamp artists can now list themselves in up to five genres, they can add their location, and they can add specific traits to individual tracks in the form of tags. Adding the genre and location isn&#8217;t that groundbreaking on its own (almost all music sites have this to some degree) but this feature is positioning Bandcamp towards an indie music discovery community. When you click on the tags/genres/locations you can see all the other artists or tracks tagged the same way. There&#8217;s not a set list of tags that you are confined too either—you can describe your music how you see fit. I&#8217;ve <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2009/09/who-pays-for-music-downloads-seriously/">written before</a> about how I think Bandcamp is the best way to represent an indie artist&#8217;s music online. I&#8217;ve already discovered some new artists by just browsing through the tags, and because the presentation is so ace, it just makes you want to press play.</p>
<p class="image"><a href="http://bandcamp.com/tag" title="bandcamp.com/tag" rel="external"><img id="bandcamp-tag-cloud-day-1" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/bandcamp-tag-cloud-day-1.png" height="216" width="640" alt="Bandcamp Tag Cloud Day 1" /></a></p>
<p class="wp-caption" style="margin:-20px 5px 20px">Bandcamp&#8217;s Tag Cloud on Day 1. <a href="http://bandcamp.com/tag" title="bandcamp.com/tag" rel="external">bandcamp.com/tag</a></p>
<p id="bandcamp-band-services">Bandcamp seems to grasp the importance of maintaining their already-superb platform but it&#8217;s great to see they&#8217;re continuing to fine-tune and add new features. I think the addition of more community features on Bandcamp like commenting (or fan reviews) would be welcomed, and in case not, they could leave it up to each artist whether they want to allow commenting on their tracks via having an option in their artist settings. Comments or fan reviews under each track remind me of Amie Street&#8217;s <i>Rec&#8217;s</i> which IMO in my opinion is that site&#8217;s best and most engaging feature. There you have to download (buy) the track to recommend (review) it. Another potential community-driver could be digg-like voting. However it&#8217;d be smart for Bandcamp to take things one step at a time and be sure to continue to deliver its core features as a service for bands.</p>
<h1 class="border reverse">Community Overload?</h1>
<p id="music-site-abundance">There is an abundance of online music communities, but there&#8217;s not many sites that offer the high-quality DIY service that Bandcamp does, and there&#8217;s room for them to keep advancing there too. Last year they added sales of physical goods. I&#8217;d like to see them add embeddable mailing list sign-up widgets—they already collect emails with downloads for you so this seems like an easy feature extension that would make them more of an all-in-one service for musicians. Or they could somehow integrate with YouTube or Ustream to have video on the Bandcamp page/storefront/channel/station (or however you want to call it). What&#8217;s your take on these ideas? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d go as far as having listeners create profiles—who needs another profile, right? I&#8217;d try to find a way to let people interact through a service that lets them login with their existing online profiles. In yesterday&#8217;s <a href="http://blog.bandcamp.com/2010/02/11/oh-no-not-another-music-community/" rel="external">blog post</a> on the tagging, Bandcamp says they originally had &#8220;no desire to create another online music community.&#8221;</p>
<p id="thesixtyone-redesign">Because there are so many other music sites, one can see what works, what flops, and and try to understand why. I don&#8217;t know if any of you have followed the story about <a href="http://rockonthestreets.com/2010/01/23/music-site-thesixtyone-gets-a-redesign-many-users-upset/" rel="external">TheSixtyOne&#8217;s recent redesign</a>. <a href="http://thesixtyone.com" rel="external">TheSixtyOne</a> is an indie music community where &#8220;new artists make music and listeners decide what&#8217;s good.&#8221; Think indie radio + voting + discussion + digital store. Last month they did a major redesign of the site with no warning and upset a lot of their users. The new design is what I call euro-style and <i>looks</i> cool but the community features are less prevalent. I give them credit for trying something new but they should have communicated the upcoming changes better with their uses. If they did, they might have realized that their users care more about the community than flashy design.</p>
<h1 class="border reverse">It&#8217;s All About The Data</h1>
<p id="tagging-is-data">Bandcamp&#8217;s new tagging should go over well. It&#8217;s subtle but powerful. I even think everyone would benefit more if Bandcamp takes this one step further by enabling the users (listeners) to tag tracks. We&#8217;ve seen that crowdsourced-tagging approach before on other music sites—<a href="http://last.fm" rel="external">Last.fm</a> and <a href="http://amiestreet.com" rel="external">Amie Street</a> come to mind—and it&#8217;s a fun way to create data that engages fans (because they have to think about your music as they tag). Tag. Tag. Tag. I&#8217;m a tagging freak. I don&#8217;t try to organize, I just tag. I tag in excess because it makes things easier to find later. See, I can&#8217;t even help but over-tag my blog posts (you&#8217;re supposed to use at most 10 tags). My Delicious bookmarks total <a href="http://delicious.com/tags/ryanve?view=all" rel="external">7000+ tags</a>. I&#8217;m not alone either. Widely-used social bookmarking apps like <a href="http://delicious.com" rel="external">Delicious</a>, <a href="http://www.xmarks.com" rel="external">Xmarks</a>, and <a href="http://www.google.com/bookmarks/" rel="external">Google Bookmarks</a> hold the tag data created by thousands and thousands of users. Combine all that and you&#8217;ve got a helluva lot of data to crunch. It&#8217;s like using humans to crawl the web instead of search bots. Humans zone in on content and label it in a way that&#8217;s effective and meaningful for, well, humans. Delicious is essentially a crowdsourced search engine. They provide a great service but they&#8217;ve failed to innovate. They&#8217;re owned by Yahoo. They have the data, but they don&#8217;t leverage it in their apps.</p>
<p id="music-intelligence">Back to music—think about how Last.fm powers its similar artists based on listener behavior. Think about combining listener behavior with crowdsourced tagging could make recommendation engines. Multiple tag queries or basic seach operators would be great for filtering by genre and location simultaneously—e.g. electronica + new york—but I wouldn&#8217;t stop at genre and location—I&#8217;d try to encourage mood tags and sounds-like tags too. If Bandcamp collected tag data from everyone they could better use it analyze trends and could bring their upcoming search that they mention to a whole new level. I hope they attempt to deliver more in the way of music analytics and music intelligence.</p>
<p class="s150">Read more posts tagged Bandcamp <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/tag/bandcamp/" rel="tag">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Music Blogging Throwdown—Evading DMCA Takedowns</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Van Etten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dubbed <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23musicblogocide2k10" title="#musicblogocide2k10 on Twitter" rel="external">musicblogocide2k10</a> Google <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/feb/11/google-deletes-music-blogs" title="Google shuts down music blogs without warning &#124; The Guardian" rel="external">deleted</a> at least six known music blogs from its Blogger platform. Google posted an <a href="http://buzz.blogger.com/2010/02/quick-note-about-music-blog-removals.html" title="A quick note about music blog removals &#124; Google" rel="external">official response</a> highlighting their current procedures for handling DMCA complaints that were last updated last <a href="http://buzz.blogger.com/2009/08/let-music-play.html" title="Let The Music Play &#124; Google" rel="external">summer</a>—Google implies that they warn offending bloggers but cite difficulty contacting offenders in the past. They also include the link for filing a DMCA <a href="http://www.google.com/blogger_dmca.html#counter" rel="external">counter claim</a>.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p id="musicblogocide2k10">Dubbed <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23musicblogocide2k10" title="#musicblogocide2k10 on Twitter" rel="external">musicblogocide2k10</a> Google <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/feb/11/google-deletes-music-blogs" title="Google shuts down music blogs without warning | The Guardian" rel="external">deleted</a> at least six known music blogs from its Blogger platform. Google posted an <a href="http://buzz.blogger.com/2010/02/quick-note-about-music-blog-removals.html" title="A quick note about music blog removals | Google" rel="external">official response</a> highlighting their current procedures for handling DMCA complaints that were last updated last <a href="http://buzz.blogger.com/2009/08/let-music-play.html" title="Let The Music Play | Google" rel="external">summer</a>—Google implies that they warn offending bloggers but cite difficulty contacting offenders in the past. They also include the link for filing a DMCA <a href="http://www.google.com/blogger_dmca.html#counter" rel="external">counter claim</a>. It seems inefficient to do an abrupt shutdown only to have to react to counter claims, and obviously the warnings were ineffective. To set the record straight I love Google. I also love music and free content.</p>
<p class="image"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryusha/4335857204/" title="Judo Paris Grand Slam 2010 by toksuede, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4335857204_df692f5b63.jpg" width="640" height="426" alt="Judo Paris Grand Slam 2010" /></a></p>
<p class="wp-caption watermark">Judo Paris Grand Slam 2010. Image: flickr/<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryusha/4335857204/" rel="cc:attributionURL" style="color:#444">ryusha</a></p>
<p id="legal-gray-area">Now if I got an email explicitly saying &#8220;you&#8217;re breaking our rules and we&#8217;re going to shut you down&#8221; then I would react immediately but apparently these bloggers missed this chance. I&#8217;m sure Blogger&#8217;s TOS states that they have the right to delete violating blogs, and to protect themselves legally they delete them. But I find it hard to believe Google didn&#8217;t warn them. I think the bloggers had to have known they were in a legal gray area. They should have exported a backup of their blog.</p>
<blockquote id="dmca-safe-harbors" class="indent"><p>The DMCA&#8217;s &#8216;safe harbors&#8217; for online service providers give linkers a strong incentive to remove links upon receiving a DMCA takedown notice, because if they do so, they are protected from paying damages in any copyright infringement case. (<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2006/12/01/fox_commits_copyrigh.html" title="Fox commits copyright fraud | BoingBoing" class="citation" rel="external">EFF attorney Fred von Lohmann via BoingBoing in 2006</a>)</p></blockquote>
<blockquote class="indent"><p>Regardless of whether we may be liable for such infringement under local country law or United States law, our response to these notices may include removing or disabling access to material claimed to be the subject of infringing activity and/or terminating subscribers. If we remove or disable access in response to such a notice, we will make a good-faith attempt to contact the owner or administrator of the affected site or content so that they may make a counter notification. (<a href="http://www.google.com/dmca.html" title="google.com/dmca.html" rel="external" class="citation">Google</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p id="better-solution">We need better laws surrounding internet music journalism that reflect today&#8217;s Internet behavior. We need better education regarding copyright so that writers know how to properly license intellectual property. Oftentimes music bloggers have gained permission to include mp3&#8242;s directly from the artist or their record label. The same may even go for some YouTube videos that have had their audio removed due to &#8220;copyright infringement.&#8221; Is anyone asking the artists or contacting the uploader first? Who exactly is making the complaints? Theoretically the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act" title="Wikipedia: DMCA">DMCA</a> criminalizes anti-DRM tactics and copyright infringement. In practice, is it working—or rather—is it worth it?</p>
<blockquote id="blogger-confusion" class="indent"><p>The trouble with filing a formal, legal DMCA counter-claim is, that most bloggers don&#8217;t know how. What&#8217;s more, many of Blogger&#8217;s DMCA notices allegedly omit the name of the offending song. Bloggers aren&#8217;t even sure what they are denying. (<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/feb/11/google-deletes-music-blogs" title="Google shuts down music blogs without warning | The Guardian" rel="external">The Guardian</a>)</p></blockquote>
<blockquote id="communication-breakdown" class="indent"><p>From what&#8217;s being talked about from the blogs that did have their content removed, it sounds like the newer system (unlike the old system) did alert them to what was happening, but they just felt hopeless to respond. Google has put up a response, basically saying that if it doesn&#8217;t receive a counternotice, and it keeps getting DMCA takedowns on the same account, eventually it takes the blog down as a &#8220;repeat offender.&#8221; So we&#8217;re back to the point that I predicted in August, where your average everyday blogger has no idea what a DMCA counternotice is and how to use it &#8212; so it would be much better if Google made the process of filing such a counternotice a lot more intuitive. (<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100210/1454048115.shtml" title="Google's Latest Music Blog Kerfuffle Highlights Problems With The DMCA | Techdirt" rel="external" class="citation">Techdirt</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p id="tips-to-avoid-infringement">In order to prevent any legal confusion, I would include a disclaimer making it painfully obvious that that the artist (or label) gave permission to have the mp3 on the blog. Even better, I would use legal embedding tools such as <a href="http://bandcamp.com" title="bandcamp.com" rel="external">Bandcamp</a>, <a href="http://soundcloud.com/tour/widgets" title="Soundcloud » Widgets" rel="external">Soundcloud</a>, or <a href="http://grooveshark.com" title="grooveshark.com" rel="external">Grooveshark</a> as opposed to a direct link to an .mp3 file. This saves bandwidth and covers your a**. In the case of Bandcamp, you would be helping the artist because Bandcamp downloads usually require an email address and ZIP code giving bands a direct connection to their fans and valuable location data. I think most Bandcamp artists would happily issue free download codes to mp3 bloggers. Another route would be to use <a href="http://creativecommons.org" title="creativecommons.org" rel="external">Creative Commons</a>-licensed content—there&#8217;s plenty of CC-licensed content on <a href="http://jamendo.com" title="jamendo.com" rel="external">Jamendo</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/thedecibeltolls/status/8967342407" title="view tweet"><img id="thedecibeltolls-8967342407" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/tweets/thedecibeltolls-8967342407.png" witdh="640" height="230" alt="thedecibeltolls: Super glad I use the open source version WordPress. Fuck that Blogger shit. #musicblogocide2k10" /></a></p>
<p id="wordpress-and-other-platforms">All that said, the best solution is to set up a blog on your own domain with an opensource blogging platform like <a href="http://wordpress.org" title="wordpress.org" rel="external">WordPress</a>. But even still you should backup your posts. Blogger and WordPress both support exporting (backing-up) into a transferable .xml file. Mini-blogging platforms <a href="http://tumblr.com" title="tumblr.com" rel="external">Tumblr</a> and <a href="http://posterous.com" title="posterous.com" rel="external">Posterous</a> are also good free alternatives—Posterous supports transferring from another blog but I don&#8217;t think Tumblr does yet. See Mashable&#8217;s head-to-head <a href="http://mashable.com/2009/06/29/posterous-vs-tumblr/" title="Posterous vs. Tumblr: A Head to Head" rel="external">comparison</a>. <a href="http://squarespace.com" title="sparespace.com" rel="external">Squarespace</a> is a paid service that supports importing and is also worth considering as an out-of-the-box solution.</p>
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<h4 style="margin:0">How To Backup or Transfer Your Blog</h4>
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<li><a href="http://bloggerindraft.blogspot.com/2008/06/new-feature-import-and-export.html" title="Blogger » Export">Blogger » Export (backup) blog</a></li>
<li><a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Tools_Import_SubPanel" title="Wordpress » Tools » Import">WordPress » Import blog</a></li>
<li><a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Tools_Export_SubPanel" title="Wordpress » Tools » Export">WordPress » Export (backup) blog</a></li>
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<p>Update 2/12/09: Last night Google put back <a href="http://www.masalacism.blogspot.com" title="masalacism.blogspot.com" rel="external">one</a> of the deleted blogs and updated their <a href="http://buzz.blogger.com/2010/02/quick-note-about-music-blog-removals.html" title="A quick note about music blog removals | Google" rel="external">response</a>:</p>
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		<title>Numbers. Fame. Adaptation. An Impromptu Debate on Business in a Music Industry Changed by The Internet.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last Friday I got into a discussion with James Marshall (@<a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a>) about issues facing musicians in the current state of the industry. I had tweeted two links and James replied stating, &#8220;The internet is destroyin' industries we all love.&#8221; It sparked a bit of a debate at first—my stance is that the internet is changing the music business for the better—but we found some common ground along the way.]]></description>
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<p>Last Friday I got into a discussion with James Marshall (@<a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a>) about issues facing musicians in the current state of the industry. I had tweeted two links and James replied stating, &ldquo;The internet is destroyin&#8217; industries we all love.&rdquo; It sparked a bit of a debate at first—my stance is that the internet is changing the music business for the better—but we found some common ground along the way. We talked about promotion, talent, middle-men, costs, and the viability of alternate revenue sources like subscriptions and endorsements. We decided to post the discussion here where it can benefit the community, and we want to hear your opinions in the comment section. Have a read below of the entire conversation, which went from tweets to DM&#8217;s to emails.</p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> RT @<a class="tweet-url username" href="http://twitter.com/tweetmeme">tweetmeme</a> Could Corporate Media Destroy The Internet? | The Indie Digest <a href="http://retwt.me/1atP9" class="tweet-url web" rel="external">http://retwt.me/1atP9</a><br /><span class="t-meta"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve/status/5069973971" class="entry-date" rel="bookmark"><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Thu Oct 22 14:13:32 +0000 2009'}">10:13 AM Oct 22nd</span></a> <span>from <a href="http://tweetmeme.com" rel="external">TweetMeme</a></span> </span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> RT @<a class="tweet-url username" href="http://twitter.com/Techdirt">Techdirt</a> More Musicians Realizing File Sharing Isn&#8217;t Evil; Shakira, Norah Jones, Nelly… <a href="http://bt.io/Juj" class="tweet-url web" rel="external">http://bt.io/Juj</a> (via @<a class="tweet-url username" href="http://twitter.com/ojkelly">ojkelly</a>)<br /><span class="t-meta"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve/status/5070172805" class="entry-date" rel="bookmark"><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Thu Oct 22 14:22:48 +0000 2009'}">10:22 AM Oct 22nd</span></a> <span>from web</span> </span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> @<a class="tweet-url username" href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" title="http://twitter.com/ryanve">ryanve</a> The internet is destroyin&#8217; industries we all love though… <br /><span class="t-meta"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez/status/5070023425" class="entry-date" rel="bookmark"><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Thu Oct 22 14:15:52 +0000 2009'}">10:15 AM Oct 22nd</span></a> <span>from <a href="http://www.snaptu.com/a/twitter" rel="nofollow">Snaptu</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve/status/5069973971">in reply to ryanve</a></span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> @<a class="tweet-url username" href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez">infinitestylez</a> Ah it&#8217;s changing them and forcing adaptation. Don&#8217;t you worry, there&#8217;s always something to love! <br /><span class="t-meta"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve/status/5071404855" class="entry-date" rel="bookmark"><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Thu Oct 22 15:16:56 +0000 2009'}">11:16 AM Oct 22nd</span></a> <span>from <a href="http://www.seesmic.com/" rel="nofollow">Seesmic</a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez/status/5070023425">in reply to infinitestylez</a></span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> The only problem is that adaptation doesn&#8217;t yield profit for entertainers. Customers don&#8217;t buy—how do we earn income? <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Thu Oct 22 20:27:31 +0000 2009'}">4:27 PM Oct 22nd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> People pay for live shows. Free online music helps promote shows—it&#8217;s not direct income, but it&#8217;s free advertising, right? <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 13:17:12 +0000 2009'}">9:17 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> There got to be ways to make $ by product endorsement deals (easier said than done) and content subscriptions like <a href="http://www.paramorefanclub.com" title="Paramore Fan Club" rel="external">www.paramorefanclub.com</a> <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 13:29:03 +0000 2009'}">9:29 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> That&#8217;s not how it works. What happens when a really good beginner drops without a label backin&#8217; him? Nothin&#8217;. No fans. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:05:30 +0000 2009'}">10:05 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> Fans need to understand that this system made these acts they love. Demandin&#8217; it for free doesn&#8217;t pay those people. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:06:28 +0000 2009'}">10:06 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> It pays the service providers. Then the labels and artists have to divide only the left over royalties…less than 30%. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:07:45 +0000 2009'}">10:07 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> So then everyone involved in a $10 million album project get screwed and have to ride seasonal royalty checks. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:08:48 +0000 2009'}">10:08 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> Labels need the album sales to set up the shows that pay the artists. Endorsements are based on an ability to sell products. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:09:59 +0000 2009'}">10:09 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> If you can&#8217;t sell at least a million records you can&#8217;t get endorsed to sell Verizon. You see what I&#8217;m sayin&#8217;? <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:10:55 +0000 2009'}">10:10 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> So artists like myself never make it because the industry isn&#8217;t rich enough to pay us anymore. Music is expensive. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:11:51 +0000 2009'}">10:11 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> You&#8217;re right—it&#8217;s not an easy business. I&#8217;m not making money as a musician, but a lot of people are, and they&#8217;re not selling a million rec&#8217;s. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:17:39 +0000 2009'}">10:17 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> Hard work is what works. That will always be the case. Talent isn&#8217;t enough. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:18:11 +0000 2009'}">10:18 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> That&#8217;s the problem. Talent is supposed to be because that&#8217;s what people pay to see and hear…talent. Music is too corporate now. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:20:58 +0000 2009'}">10:20 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> I think smaller company endorsements will work for indie artists. (not big corporations like Verizon that only work for the radio artists). <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:21:24 +0000 2009'}">10:21 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> 60 years ago artists made money off their art. Now just to make it worth doin&#8217; look what you have to do…it&#8217;s ridiculous. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:21:56 +0000 2009'}">10:21 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> I agree with that (about talent) but I don&#8217;t think it will happen. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:27:25 +0000 2009'}">10:27 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> Talent is talent though. If you&#8217;re talented the world should hear it and you should have all the same opportunities. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:23:22 +0000 2009'}">10:23 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> Honestly, why shouldn&#8217;t you be able to make millions with Verizon? And free promo is just that…free promo. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:26:33 +0000 2009'}">10:26 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> It makes you popular—not famous. You still have to feed yourself and everyone else involved. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:27:18 +0000 2009'}">10:27 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a>  It&#8217;ll change when we educate the fans. Businesses can&#8217;t operate with capital, you have to pay for what you want. <br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:29:49 +0000 2009'}">10:29 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> Verizon would want to advertise to the masses, but yea everyone consumes music, so that is the masses.<br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:30:20 +0000 2009'}">10:30 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="t-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> Exactly. Numbers, fame. Take my email dude. DM&#8217;s are too short. [email removed]<br /><span class="published timestamp" data="{time:'Fri Oct 23 14:32:31 +0000 2009'}">10:32 AM Oct 23rd</span></p>
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<p class="e-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> Ha yea it was hard trying to get those into 140 chars. <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20091020/1519476609.shtml" title="Trying To Explain The Economics Of Abundance In Two Minutes Or Less With A Whiteboard | TechDirt" rel="external">This video</a> generalizes the issue (the abundance of music). Fans are happy to pay for shows though, and t-shirts etc. too, right? I like the idea of the exclusive content subscription where fans can pay a yearly fee to get extra content, but I think you have to give at least something away for free, because, otherwise people will listen to something else that is free.</p>
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<p class="e-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> That&#8217;s the same as you going to work everyday and not gettin&#8217; paid for your time. Instead they only pay you for a purchase above $100. It&#8217;s the same concept, the majority of your productivity is time consumption, and the result of the majority of your efforts you have to give away for free. The volume of music isn&#8217;t the issue. You gave it away when you were starvin&#8217;, how much longer should you starve? You get all these other middle-men involved who each want a piece of your dedication and love for what you do. It&#8217;s a scam.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">What did THIS dickhead really do for YOU? He made a new radio station, whether broadcast or digital, and he&#8217;s NOW collectin&#8217; TWO paychecks from each commercial client and buildin&#8217; an advocacy group against you. Now you have to pay the label, pay him, pay your manager, your producers, engineers, publicists, security, etc. and STILL give your music away. And there&#8217;s the issue, you&#8217;re a walkin&#8217; business. How do you function when you can&#8217;t pay yourself?</p>
<p class="e-content-2">All that expense for some promo? It hardly seems worth it. Especially when the discounted sales or stolen tickets come in, and that $17 million tour was only enough to pay off the massive debt you accrued.</p>
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Billboard &#8211; $1 million per year<br />
Promo &#8211; $3 million per country<br />
CD duplication &#8211; $500 grand per million<br />
Production &#8211; $7 million per album<br />
Merchandise &#8211; $5 million<br />
You &#8211; Already over budget and in debt
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<p class="e-content-2">The radio spins are free, the interviews are free, the public appearances are free, the autographs are free, the charities are free, the pics are free, the publicity time is free, the advice is free. You work like they do, but you&#8217;re required to do it all for free while they can unionize and and pitch a bitch over their pay…and WIN. How is that fair to you? C/O Michael Jackson, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, etc.</p>
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<p class="e-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> I prefer the DIY route whenever possible. I&#8217;d like to that think the internet is lessening the need for the industry middle-men, who are all trying to get a piece of the action but often out to screw you. There are a few middle-men that are helping artists without raping them financially. For example, <a href="http://tunecore.com" title="Tunecore" rel="external">Tunecore</a> has relatively low fees for distribution. Aside from the actual audio production, an mp3 is free to produce, and doesn&#8217;t cost anything to duplicate like CDs do. From an investment point, the mp3 is a lower risk because less capital is needed.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">My friends&#8217; band released an album with a major label, Koch Records, and in doing so screwed themselves because they signed away the rights to their own songs. They&#8217;re not even allowed to give those songs away if they want to. Fortunately the deal was only for the one album, and their next album they are releasing independently. On the flip side, there are labels that really have helped artists make their careers.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">The bottom line is that when artists give music away for free, they need to be smart about it, and at least collect an email address in exchange for, say, a free download. That way the artist has a way to stay in touch with their fans, and let them know about shows etc. Have you seen <a href="http://bandcamp.com" title="Bandcamp" rel="external">Bandcamp</a>? It supports downloads in exchange for email/zip code. It has options for pay-what-you-want pricing with the drawback that PayPal takes a cut. I think it would end up more profitable to release one track per month, and opposed to one album per year. Less, but more often.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">You&#8217;re bringing up some ace points. If you want you could publish some of this on <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv" title="virtualmusic.tv » Home" rel="home">virtualmusic.tv</a> like, maybe your last email, parts of our conversation, or whatever you think. It might be a good way to generate some discussion—what do you reckon?</p>
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<p class="e-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> You&#8217;re right and that&#8217;s what I mean, it&#8217;s a double-edged sword, but both sides are necessary to make a sharp blade. Usin&#8217; internet marketin&#8217; tools is a good bet versus rollin&#8217; over for the internet radio stations and media pirates. See, now we understand each other more clearly, however, the internet tools can still only carry us so far.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">Artists as a race of people, not a creed such as nationality, but a race described by its creative genius need to learn the value of free enterprise. Don&#8217;t find the label—build the label. Find the distributor or evolve into the distributor but don&#8217;t believe the hype. Everything isn&#8217;t all about a deal and free music leaves only a starvin&#8217; artist, however, cheaper alternatives satisfy all parties.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">Labels still get paid, artists get paid fairly, and fans save money without stealin&#8217; from us. Still $14.99 for a classic, multi-platinum, autographable, detailed, fully-enhanced, 15-track, unbroken, complete album hard copy is reasonable provided you have the money to make enough copies. LOL</p>
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<p class="e-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="Ryan Van Etten" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/ryanve_0193_c3m1sb7710m_360_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/ryanve" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">ryanve</span></a> LOL Yea I don&#8217;t expect to ever be selling an album where the hard copy makes it to Wal-Mart or gets played on mainstream radio, but I don&#8217;t need that to feel successful. It seems like music is more of a part-time thing for most people, because to make a full living from it is tough. I have faith that the changes to the industry due to the internet will ultimately end up making it bigger and better. I think videogames are going to be a bigger part of the business too. We&#8217;re in a transitional phase now. What I meant before about adapting was that seeing as change is inevitable, the people that can most quickly adapt and use the changes to their advantage will prosper. It&#8217;s easier for indie artists to adapt than it is for the big record co.&#8217;s who are always playing catch up and deriding the changes because they know their business model is going down the drain. I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going to happen, but I&#8217;m going to be here to find out. We have to let each other know of any killer ideas!</p>
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<p class="e-content"><span class="thumb profile-pic"><a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="tweet-url profile-pic url"><img alt="James Marshall" class="photo" src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/twimg/SSPX1321_normal.jpg" width="48" height="48" /></a></span> <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile"><span class="interviewee-name twitter-handle screen-name">infinitestylez</span></a> Yeah, bro, the business model issue they wrestle with is all about pride. Too proud to accept they&#8217;ve become dated and the new model must upgrade, or at least update, the old. They have to face the &#8220;music&#8221; (pun intended lol) and learn the new avenues as well as venture back down memory lane and remember how they improved upon new business models.</p>
<p class="e-content-2">As far as success, it&#8217;s all in vision, passion, and what you know. You know a lot. There&#8217;s room for you here, and you should publish our discussion almost verbatim. Set it up interview style and we&#8217;ll be the subjects of interview. That&#8217;ll be sweet. We can add some images and make a blog of it, post some music…who knows, you&#8217;re on a roll with that publishin&#8217; idea. People love this kind of informative discussion especially when it&#8217;s viewable by everyone.</p>
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<p class="split purple left">About <a href="http://twitter.com/infinitestylez" class="twitter-profile" title="@infinitestylez on Twitter">James Marshall</a>: I&#8217;m a hip-hop artist local to Detroit, 25 years old, and with 7 years experience in hip-hop. &ldquo;I don&#8217;t care if you don&#8217;t love me, I don&#8217;t care if you don&#8217;t date me. Fear me, whatever, respect me…hate me as long as you pay me.&rdquo;</p>
<p class="split purple right">About <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/author/ryanve/" class="author-profile" title="View all posts by Ryan">Ryan Van Etten</a>: I&#8217;m a 30 y.o. writer/editor on virtualmusic.tv, an engineer, DIY multimedia producer, and the indie eclectic-rock artist from <a href="http://thespinarounds.com" rel="external">The Spin Arounds</a> and <a href="http://crimsonroad.com" rel="external">Crimson Road</a>. &#8220;I try to reinvent myself each day like the turn of a kaleidoscope.&#8221;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's 2009. Why are people are still paying for mp3 downloads when there is an abundance of awesome music available for free? Digital music is becoming more free by the minute. There is music that you can download for free—legally or illegally—and there is music that you can stream for free. I support bands that are giving their tracks away for free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 2009. Why are people are still paying for mp3 downloads when there is an abundance of awesome music available for free? Digital music is becoming more free by the minute.</p>
<p><strong>Listeners</strong>: There is music that you can download for free—legally or illegally—and there is music that you can <a href="http://virtualmusic.tv/2009/08/discussion-how-do-you-discover-new-music/#music-discovery-link-cloud" title="Music Discovery Link Cloud">stream for free</a>. The trend is towards streaming. I support bands that are giving their tracks away for free. I&#8217;ll even admit it—I&#8217;m offended when bands expect me to pay for an mp3 download. Am I completely off base here, or do you agree?</p>
<p class="image"><img src="http://img.virtualmusic.tv/orange-double-vinyl-640.jpg" alt="Orange 7" Vinyl Record" width="640" height="313" /><br /><span class="wp-caption">Unlike these records, mp3&#8242;s can be easily duplicated and shared for free. We are in a new time and we need new rules. Welcome to the digital revolution.</span></p>
<p><strong>Bands</strong>: Giving downloads away for free is an excellent promotional move. It puts out the message that you care about your fans, and that you want them to hear your music. It is a leader into other revenue streams. I recommend collecting fans&#8217; email addresses in exchange for free downloads. This can be achieved nicely by <a href="http://bandcamp.com" title="Bandcamp" rel="external">Bandcamp</a>, which, in my opinion is a super-slick service. Bandcamp enables downloads in multiple hi-res formats, and the platform encourages sharing on social networks. They even offer pay-what-you-want pricing options—the only drawback is that PayPal takes a percentage. [Demo: <a href="http://thespinarounds.bandcamp.com" title="thespinarounds.bandcamp.com" rel="external">My Bandcamp Page</a>]</p>
<p>I hope paid download services shift their business models to make the music more &#8220;free&#8221; for listeners. I think services could generate ad revenue that the artists could share in—in such a way that bands could choose the ads on their pages as to match the right advertisements with the music. I recently <a href="http://techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20090922/1850426288#c30" title="They Need To Adapt Their Business Model…" rel="external">commented</a> about Amie Street implementing this idea, but imagine if a mega-service like iTunes could work magic like that.</p>
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